Karrots

[Lightning Blue]

2 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Ok cool. What about this factual one. Maybe the wording needs to be changed to, as much as possible?

People talk rubbish all the time. Nothing going to stop that. Hard to police - No?

And still this confidential one, think they need to be more specific or change wording a bit. What if you heard something verbally at the pub or with family or friends or after a race. And then you come on RC & tell peeps.

Don't worry too much Karrots , team or stable driving is fine. Telfers, Allstars, Dunns can all get multiple runners in a race because they're pretty good stables.

They have been 'Looking After' each other for years.

Stewards will take a dim view if a horse is given 'No chance to Win' by the way it is driven ,if it is just to aid a stablemate.

 example was Ferguson at Auckland when MeetmeinSorrento won. 

BUT generally you OBviously are not gunna knock a stablemate over ,and can let it go to the lead easily or whatever. No Law Against That.?

As long as you give your own drive EVERY POSSIBLE CHANCE TO WIN , which Allstars have been doing quite beautifully for years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

maybe it's the Dunn's turn NZ CUP ?????

[Double R]

9 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Ok cool. What about this factual one. Maybe the wording needs to be changed to, as much as possible?

People talk rubbish all the time. Nothing going to stop that. Hard to police - No?

And still this confidential one, think they need to be more specific or change wording a bit. What if you heard something verbally at the pub or with family or friends or after a race. And then you come on RC & tell peeps.

All we have got to do is follow our good values, and before disclosing anything on here, ensure we can cover our story securely, and creditably. it is the very least we owe to Hesi, and Pete.

[Double R]

9 minutes ago, Lightning Blue said:

Don't worry too much Karrots , team or stable driving is fine. Telfers, Allstars, Dunns can all get multiple runners in a race because they're pretty good stables.

They have been 'Looking After' each other for years.

Stewards will take a dim view if a horse is given 'No chance to Win' by the way it is driven ,if it is just to aid a stablemate.

 example was Ferguson at Auckland when MeetmeinSorrento won. 

BUT generally you OBviously are not gunna knock a stablemate over ,and can let it go to the lead easily or whatever. No Law Against That.?

As long as you give your own drive EVERY POSSIBLE CHANCE TO WIN , which Allstars have been doing quite beautifully for years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

maybe it's the Dunn's turn NZ CUP ?????

Totally agree LB.

It is human nature to look after each other, especially from the same family/stable, whether that be in life in general, or a race.

It has always been part of racing, and Karrots, I am having a wee chuckle, in a nice way, when Lewey goes to the races, and if your stable has more than one in the race, and the stablemate comes around, and you get a great trail, you zoom up the passing, and Karrots starts running to the winners circle, thank you very much!!!

[karrotsishere]

16 minutes ago, Double R said:

All we have got to do is follow our good values, and before disclosing anything on here, ensure we can cover our story securely, and creditably. it is the very least we owe to Hesi, and Pete.

Thanks for the feedback & your wise words. That isn't how I read it tho. The below reads to me that you are not allowed to talk about something you may have heard. 

 * Maintain confidentiality of personal information and confidential information, whether received verbally, in writing or otherwise.

[karrotsishere]

4 minutes ago, Double R said:

Totally agree LB.

It is human nature to look after each other, especially from the same family/stable, whether that be in life in general, or a race.

It has always been part of racing, and Karrots, I am having a wee chuckle, in a nice way, when Lewey goes to the races, and if your stable has more than one in the race, and the stablemate comes around, and you get a great trail, you zoom up the passing, and Karrots starts running to the winners circle, thank you very much!!!

Hehe yes Sweetie Lewey. Its all good. Lightning and I poke fun as yip you and I having a fun chuckle.

Its funny and we have fun comps re me Team Others and Lightning Team Stable Driving. 

Yes hehe winners circle for Karrots with Sweetie Lewey under the Bright lights of Alex Park 🙌

Lightning no stable mates to help Self Assured in the Cup. What ya gunna do? 😄

Edited November 4, 2021 by karrotsishere

[Double R]

12 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Hehe yes Sweetie Lewey. Its all good. Lightning and I poke fun as yip you and I having a fun chuckle.

Its funny and we have fun comps re me Team Others and Lightning Team Stable Driving. 

Yes hehe winners circle for Karrots with Sweetie Lewey under the Bright lights of Alex Park 🙌

I reckon the nights that Sweetie Lewey runs, they will not need the lights on, as you will be shining brighter than a spotlight on the winner at the Academy Awards.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Double R

[karrotsishere]

3 minutes ago, Double R said:

I reckon that nights that Sweetie Lewey runs, they will not need the lights on, as you will be shining brighter than a spotlight on the winner at the Academy Awards.

[Double R]

2 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Karrots, have you thought about an acceptance speech for your first win, and do you think you will be able to stand still for long enough to give it!!!

[karrotsishere]

Here is a draft of the Code of Conduct for anyone that hasn't seen & maybe interested. As mentioned they are accepting feedback so its not final. Checked and it doesn't say anything about this is a confidential item. Therefore will post. Mind you it hasn't kicked in yet. Iv bolded the 2 points I brought up earlier. 

CODE OF CONDUCT REGULATIONS

CONTENTS

NAME AND COMMENCEMENT ..................................................................................... 1 OBJECT AND PURPOSE ................................................................................................. 1 INTERPRETATION ........................................................................................................ 2 COVERAGE .................................................................................................................. 3 GENERAL STANDARDS ................................................................................................. 3 PROHIBITED SUBSTANCES, PROHIBITED PRACTICES, MATCH FIXING, AND BETTING.......3 INTERACTION WITH OTHERS........................................................................................4 REPUTATION ............................................................................................................... 4 DISCLOSURES .............................................................................................................. 4 BREACHES OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT ......................................................................... 4

NAME AND COMMENCEMENT

These regulations are the Code of Conduct Regulations made by the Board under the New Zealand Rules of Harness Racing and clause 14.4 of the Constitution of Harness Racing New Zealand Incorporated.

These regulations come into force at [a date to be agreed by the Board].OBJECT AND PURPOSE

The purpose of this Code of Conduct is to:

1. 2.1.1  Set a standard of conduct required by all participants in harness racing.

2. 2.1.2  Ensure a clear understanding of what is expected and required in our conduct and

   behaviours to ensure a positive, healthy, supportive and professional working

   environment.

3. 2.1.3  Protect our sport, our people, and our reputation.

4. 2.1.4  Ensure participants conduct themselves in an appropriate manner, particularly in their

   engagement with other participants and with a board member, committee member1

panellist, employee, or contractor of:

1. Harness Racing New Zealand.

2. The Racing Integrity Board.

3. TAB NZ.

4. Racing New Zealand.

5. Harness racing clubs.

6. Kindred Bodies.

2.2 Other obligations are imposed upon participants under the Rules and associated HRNZ regulations. This regulation complements those Rules and regulations. The Rules of Harness Racing at all times prevail.

3. INTERPRETATION

3.1 In these regulations, unless the context otherwise requires:
owner has the same meaning as provided in rule 105(1) of the Rules. participant—

(a) (b)

means a person registered with HRNZ; and includes (without limitation)—

1. (i)  a trainer, driver, stablehand, or a person working at a harness training premises;

2. (ii)  a breeder of standardbred horses;

3. (iii)  an owner of a standardbred horse;

4. (iv)  a person who otherwise deals with animals used for harness racing;

5. (v)  a member of a Harness Racing Club or Kindred Body; and

(vi) any other person to whom Rules apply.
Rules or Rules of Harness Racing means the New Zealand Rules of Harness Racing.

social media includes social networking sites, video and photo sharing websites, micro-blogging sites, weblogs (including corporate or personal blogs or blogs hosted by media publications), forums and discussion boards, online encyclopedias, and any other websites that allow persons to use simple publishing tools.

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4. COVERAGE

1. 4.1  This code applies to all participants, employees of HRNZ and the members of the Board.

2. 4.2  This code does not affect any other obligations imposed under the Rules or any other regulations.

5. GENERAL STANDARDS

5.1 Person to who this Code of Conduct applies must:

1. 5.1.1  Maintain their competence in their field of expertise and to undertake continuing

   education and professional development.

2. 5.1.2  Work within the limits of their knowledge, training, experience and expertise.

3. 5.1.3  Provide ongoing education to cadets employed by them.

4. 5.1.4  Act with care and diligence and perform their duties in a manner that protects the

   health and safety of themselves and others with whom they work.

5. 5.1.5  To act with integrity in a responsible and trustworthy manner in their dealing with

   others.

6. 5.1.6  Read, understand, keep up to date, comply, and uphold all applicable harness racing

   rules, regulations, directives, and orders.

6. PROHIBITED SUBSTANCES, PROHIBITED PRACTICES, MATCH FIXING, AND BETTING

1. 6.1  All participants must abide by the applicable rules relating to prohibited substances and prohibited practices and ensure appropriate safeguards are in place to ensure these rules are not contravened.

2. 6.2  All participants must abide by the applicable rules relating to betting on harness races.

3. 6.3  All persons to whom this code applies must comply with the TAB-NZ Betting Rules.

4. 6.4  All persons to whom this code applies must not engage in race fixing or misuse inside information relating to racing.

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7. INTERACTION WITH OTHERS

7.1 Persons to whom this code applies must:

1. 7.1.1  Recognise their interactions with others involved in harness racing must be appropriate.

   They must respect the privacy of others and not take advantage of a relationship they

   have with another.

2. 7.1.2  Treat everyone with respect, courtesy and without harassment or unlawful

   discrimination.

3. 7.1.3  Take all reasonable steps to eliminate any forms of unlawful discrimination and any

   physical, verbal or emotional bullying or abuse by or of others.

4. 7.1.4  Maintain confidentiality of personal information and confidential information, whether

   received verbally, in writing or otherwise.

5. 7.1.5  Act with freedom from prejudice or malice in dealing with participants, the Racing

   Integrity Board, and HRNZ.

8. REPUTATION

1. 8.1  Persons to whom this code applies must behave in a way that enhances and supports the good reputation of harness racing and does not bring harness racing into disrepute.

2. 8.2  When making public statements or using social media related to harness racing, participants should provide informed and factually accurate information and ensure that any commentary or opinion does not cause damage to the reputation of harness racing and does not breach the Rules of Harness Racing.

9. DISCLOSURES

9.1 Participants may use The Protected Disclosures Act 2000 that provides a safe opportunity for participants to raise concerns about inappropriate actions

10. BREACHES OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT

1. 10.1  All persons to whom this Code applies have an obligation to report any behaviour or conduct which may be in breach of this Code. Failure to do so is, in itself, a breach of this Code.

2. 10.2  A breach of the code of conduct must be reported to HRNZ.4

3. 10.3  In determining whether or not to take any action in relation to any statement HRNZ must take into account the persons right of freedom of expression and whether the conduct was proportionate to any lawful aim being pursued and whether it is supported by appropriate reasons.

4. 10.4  HRNZ may direct, without limitation, one or more the following:

   1. 10.4.1  No action be taken.

   2. 10.4.2  A requirement that the person attend a meeting at HRNZ with management.

   3. 10.4.3  A record be placed on the person’s disciplinary record.

   4. 10.4.4  A referral to the Racing Integrity Board for consideration of laying charges under the

      Rules.

   5. 10.4.5  A requirement to attend a meeting with the HRNZ Licensing Panel for review of license

      status.

   6. 10.4.6  A recommendation to the Board that it reviews the participant’s license under Rule 324.

[karrotsishere]

On 11/4/2021 at 4:48 PM, Double R said:

I reckon the nights that Sweetie Lewey runs,

Just thought Id give an update every now & again on Sweetie Leweys Road to the Races. Good news is she is no longer cross-firing. And she is no longer being a naughty monkey trying to run off the track. And her Maine is growing nicely 😃

[Double R]

1 minute ago, karrotsishere said:

Just thought Id give an update every now & again on Sweetie Leweys Road to the Races. Good news is she is no longer cross-firing. And she is no longer being a naughty monkey trying to run off the track. And her Maine is growing nicely 😃

Thanks for the update Karrots. Is she at the stage of having a wee break now, or pushing onto the workouts or trials?

[karrotsishere]

1 hour ago, Double R said:

Thanks for the update Karrots. Is she at the stage of having a wee break now, or pushing onto the workouts or trials?

A decision will be made in approx 1 month but the horse she trains with same age, connections were told that horse to go for spell now as needs time. 

[Double R]

11 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

A decision will be made in approx 1 month but the horse she trains with same age, connections were told that horse to go for spell now as needs time. 

Sounds encouraging Karrots, so look forward to your next update.

[karrotsishere]

4 minutes ago, Double R said:

Sounds encouraging Karrots, so look forward to your next update.

That is what I was thinking DR. But you never do know. Was checking out the competition hehe. And @Mike might find this interesting, found 2 Vincents yearlings at workouts. 1 called Lady Vincent at workouts recently at Addington & another but a boy trained by Herily that won learners workout at Puke beating the older horses ran home in 27.something looks like a nice type. Cant remember name, but a Vincent too. There was 1 other yearling at Addington workouts but again a boy by Lou called Choco Lou. 

[karrotsishere]

6 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

Was checking out the competition hehe. And @Mike might find this interesting, found 2 Vincents yearlings at workouts. 1 called Lady Vincent at workouts recently at Addington & another but a boy trained by Herily that won learners workout at Puke beating the older horses ran home in 27.something looks like a nice type. Cant remember name, but a Vincent too. There was 1 other yearling at Addington workouts but again a boy by Lou called Choco Lou. 

Re Vincent yearlings, checking out the competition hehe. All Stars are rolling out their yearlings tomorrow workouts. 7 in total. 4 boys & 3 girls. Get this @Mike 3 Vincents! They must be nice types. 2 boys & 1 girl. Others they rolling out are by Bettors & Art Major, no sign of their Lou yearling they have. Spy a filly who is sis to Princess Tiffany, called Tiffs lil Sis.  

[Double R]

29 minutes ago, karrotsishere said:

Re Vincent yearlings, checking out the competition hehe. All Stars are rolling out their yearlings tomorrow workouts. 7 in total. 4 boys & 3 girls. Get this @Mike 3 Vincents! They must be nice types. 2 boys & 1 girl. Others they rolling out are by Bettors & Art Major, no sign of their Lou yearling they have. Spy a filly who is sis to Princess Tiffany, called Tiffs lil Sis.  

I think the word is out about your Sweetie Lewey, and many will be anxious!!! The bar is going to have to be very high.

Edited November 29, 2021 by Double R

[Double R]

21 minutes ago, Double R said:

I think the word is out about your Sweetie Lewey, and many will be anxious!!! The bar is going to have to be very high.

I am so thankful that I decided to get a trotter this year, and not have to see Sweetie whizzing past with the hand brake on!!!

[karrotsishere]

1 hour ago, Double R said:

I am so thankful that I decided to get a trotter this year, and not have to see Sweetie whizzing past with the hand brake on!!!

At least not whizzing past to try to dart off the track anymore 😂

Of note according to Karrots calculations, there will be less Bettors around & more Lous compared to past years. Based on breeding numbers & live foals for Sweeties age.

Vincent 148 served 110 live foals, he has a few more than Bettors 2019.

Bettors 143 served 105 live foals.

Lou 229 served 167 live foals.

Downbytheseasside 89 served 72 live foals. 

 

[karrotsishere]

23 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

Re Vincent yearlings, checking out the competition hehe. All Stars are rolling out their yearlings tomorrow workouts. 7 in total. 4 boys & 3 girls. Get this @Mike 3 Vincents! They must be nice types. 2 boys & 1 girl. Others they rolling out are by Bettors & Art Major, no sign of their Lou yearling they have. Spy a filly who is sis to Princess Tiffany, called Tiffs lil Sis.  

Looking at results & ALL 3 yearling heats including trot heat must of been canceled as no result. All were from All Stars barn. But looks like they went as Akuta result is up. Interesting anyway there is another yearling heat tomorrow. 3 boys participates - 2 Lous & 1 Downbyseaside. No Bettors. Thats all for the yearlings update 😀

[karrotsishere]

On Boxseat a Telfer interview, they have 32 yearlings. Of that 32 they staggered them, so 12 in work. 8 of those will be go to workouts this weekend at Puke. Recall seeing them buying up large at sales both weanling & yearling & had voiced, they will be ones to watch for based on numbers next year & year after. So it begins.

Yearling race at Ashburton did go ahead, results up now, but under workouts not trials. Seems from times Herily’s Vincent colt (Seve) is most forward at this early stage.

Took a look randomly at Bettors boys yearlings & approx 35 that are named & registered. This compared to approx 67 year prior.

[karrotsishere]

Thought would give 1 last update this year on Sweety Leweys Road to Races.

Am booked into watch her train this weekend. Super excited. Have only seen her train once & that was approx 6 months ago. Starting to think she won't race as an early 2 y-o, which is fine, not sure if this is true or a myth, but heard sometimes it can undo a horse to race too soon.

Anyway a couple of weeks ago, after some faster pace work report was she a bit tired, so was given a few days off. Upon day back to train return she was "a bit fresh". And then most recently she has been playing around in paddock or something, doing things she hasn't done before, so must be feeling good. Feedback has been "ok", not good, not bad. Just "ok" lol. But another bit of info which is nice to hear is that multiple peeps that have seen her, e.g. she had her teeth done & person commented on how nice looking she is. And just the other day another person did too apparently. Maybe she might make a good 'show pony in life after racing based on her nice looks tehe. 

Edited December 14, 2021 by karrotsishere

[brown fox]

Unfortunately Karrots my wife says Sweety sounds a bit like me.Looks good,ran O.K.  but never amounted to much😏

[karrotsishere]

31 minutes ago, brown fox said:

Unfortunately Karrots my wife says Sweety sounds a bit like me.Looks good,ran O.K.  but never amounted to much😏

Yeah lol. Much prefer this honesty tho. Oppose any rubbish talk. Haven't been told needs time tho yet ... More like as she is still a yearling be 'easy as she goes'. 

Just be happy to get her to races next year & get a win whether it be a Mana win, a Cambridge win or an Auckland win 😄

[brown fox]

Always best to give them time.

[Double R]

3 hours ago, karrotsishere said:

Thought would give 1 last update this year on Sweety Leweys Road to Races.

Am booked into watch her train this weekend. Super excited. Have only seen her train once & that was approx 6 months ago. Starting to think she won't race as an early 2 y-o, which is fine, not sure if this is true or a myth, but heard sometimes it can undo a horse to race too soon.

Anyway a couple of weeks ago, after some faster pace work report was she a bit tired, so was given a few days off. Upon day back to train return she was "a bit fresh". And then most recently she has been playing around in paddock or something, doing things she hasn't done before, so must be feeling good. Feedback has been "ok", not good, not bad. Just "ok" lol. But another bit of info which is nice to hear is that multiple peeps that have seen her, e.g. she had her teeth done & person commented on how nice looking she is. And just the other day another person did too apparently. Maybe she might make a good 'show pony in life after racing based on her nice looks tehe. 

Hi Karrots,

I am picking she is only a yearling. If correct, it is a matter of, after broken in, is bringing them in for short preparations, and turning them out, and not putting too much pressure on them. The horse will take the necessary steps towards racing, or not, as the case maybe. Time and patience will always be a horses friend, and gives them time to grow, and develop, and give the horse the best chance to fulfill its potential.