pete Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Pretty stunned Sotutu missed out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Copied from allblacks.com The 32-strong Steinlager Ultra Low Carb Series squad is as follows: (age, Super Rugby club, province, Test caps) * denotes new cap Forwards (18) Hookers Asafo Aumua (27 / Hurricanes / Wellington / 6) Codie Taylor (33 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 85) George Bell* (22 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 0) Props Ethan De Groot (25 / Highlanders / Southland / 22) Tyrel Lomax (28 / Hurricanes / Tasman / 32) Fletcher Newell (24 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 13) Pasilio Tosi* (25 / Hurricanes / Bay of Plenty / 0) Ofa Tu’ungafasi (32 / Blues / Northland / 57) Tamaiti Williams (23 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 7) Locks Scott Barrett (30 / Crusaders / Taranaki / 69) (Captain) Tupou Vaa’i (24 / Chiefs / Taranaki / 25) Patrick Tuipulotu (31 / Blues / Auckland / 43) Loose Forwards Ethan Blackadder (29 / Crusaders / Tasman / 10) Samipeni Finau (25 / Chiefs / Waikato / 1) Luke Jacobson (27 / Chiefs / Waikato / 18) Dalton Papali’i (26 / Blues / Counties Manukau / 32) Ardie Savea (30 / Hurricanes / Wellington / 81) (Vice Captain) Wallace Sititi* (21 / Chiefs / North Harbour / 0) Backs (14) Halfbacks Finlay Christie (28 / Blues / Tasman / 21) TJ Perenara (32 / Hurricanes / Wellington / 80) Cortez Ratima* (23 / Chiefs / Waikato / 0) First five-eighths Beauden Barrett (33 / Blues / Taranaki / 123) Damian McKenzie (29 / Chiefs / Waikato / 47) Mid-fielders Jordie Barrett (27 / Hurricanes / Taranaki / 57) (Vice Captain) Rieko Ioane (27 / Blues / Auckland / 67) Anton Lienert-Brown (29 / Chiefs / Waikato / 70) Billy Proctor* (25 / Hurricanes / Wellington / 0) Outside backs Caleb Clarke (25 / Blues / Auckland / 20) Emoni Narawa (24 / Chiefs / Bay of Plenty / 1) Stephen Perofeta (27 / Blues / Taranaki / 3) Sevu Reece (27 / Crusaders / Southland / 23) Mark Tele’a (27 / Blues / North Harbour/ 9) The following players were not considered due to injury: Sam Cane, Will Jordan, Samisoni Taukei’aho, Cam Roigard. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 49 minutes ago, pete said: Pretty stunned Sotutu missed out. He made way for Wallace I think, which I can understand, Wallace is an exciting player and he's flexi between flanker and no. 8, and I think he will gel well with Savea. Against England, personally I would have opted for Sotutu over Blackadder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I thought Dame Patsy Reddy had indicated she would stand down if the vote went against her. Most of the nation must be looking forward how the teams play under Scott Robertson.......no pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I've never been a Robertson fan, as I've always felt it was the players that made him rather than the other way round, but I'm hopeful that's not actually the case and we enter a successful period for the AB's - in saying that though he has a very good team of players and knowing his luck they'll carry him again .. 😏. I just hope they retain that humility and respectfulness in the way they address the press, the fans at the ground and the airports, and also the other teams. That has stood out to me a lot through the last three coaches, and their instilling of that message to the players, and how fantastic the ABs have been in social and media situations and I think that takes a team a long way in how they're perceived globally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Interesting, he seems to be a polarising character, particularly amongst women. The women I mix with, either think he is great or they, like you, find him a bit false, no middle ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 I think his inherent Canterbury bias may cause him to come unstuck. Personally I think he's a bit of a show pony but prepared to give him a chance to prove himself at international level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 He wins the Worst haircut of the year and has done for many years. My interest in rugger wanes year on year so how they perform doesn't worry me as much as it once did in fact doesn't worry me at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, pete said: Personally I think he's a bit of a show pony What ?, because he doesnt fit the usual profile of an All Black coach, and is somewhat outside the square .Tall poppy syndrome methinks, or tunnel vision. He loves surfing, although his body has reduced him to paddle boarding, breakdancing as a celebration after winning games, has an infectious love of the game and can motivate players . As head coach at Canterbury he also coached the under twentys to a World title . Give the guy a break, the game needs someone like him instead of those past poker faced ,laconic, flat liner, coaches with all the personality traits of a goldfish on valium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 13 minutes ago, Globederby19 said: What ?, because he doesnt fit the usual profile of an All Black coach, and is somewhat outside the square .Tall poppy syndrome methinks, or tunnel vision. He loves surfing, although his body has reduced him to paddle boarding, breakdancing as a celebration after winning games, has an infectious love of the game and can motivate players . As head coach at Canterbury he also coached the under twentys to a World title . Give the guy a break, the game needs someone like him instead of those past poker faced ,laconic, flat liner, coaches with all the personality traits of a goldfish on valium. We shall see Rees. It's only my opinion and, as my wife likes to remind me, I'm usually wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 24 minutes ago, Globederby19 said: What ?, because he doesnt fit the usual profile of an All Black coach, and is somewhat outside the square .Tall poppy syndrome methinks, or tunnel vision. He loves surfing, although his body has reduced him to paddle boarding, breakdancing as a celebration after winning games, has an infectious love of the game and can motivate players . As head coach at Canterbury he also coached the under twentys to a World title . Give the guy a break, the game needs someone like him instead of those past poker faced ,laconic, flat liner, coaches with all the personality traits of a goldfish on valium. I think that pretty much sums him up Rees. You're not referring to Fozzie by any chance when you talk about a goldfish on valium are you lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Atkinson Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Scott Barrett is going to have to lift his self-discipline now that he's All Blacks' Captain. His record for attracting yellow/red cards is disturbing. We (NZ) lost the last World Cup because the misconduct of our Captain of the time saw him on the bench and the team reduced to 14 players for most of the Final. 14 versus 15 only has one outcome. We don't want a repeat in All Blacks tests coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 6 minutes ago, Howard Atkinson said: Scott Barrett is going to have to lift his self-discipline now that he's All Blacks' Captain. His record for attracting yellow/red cards is disturbing. We (NZ) lost the last World Cup because the misconduct of our Captain of the time saw him on the bench and the team reduced to 14 players for most of the Final. 14 versus 15 only has one outcome. We don't want a repeat in All Blacks tests coming up. I was thinking the same Howie. It seems to have gone completely unmentioned in the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 51 minutes ago, Globederby19 said: What ?, because he doesnt fit the usual profile of an All Black coach, and is somewhat outside the square .Tall poppy syndrome methinks, or tunnel vision. He loves surfing, although his body has reduced him to paddle boarding, breakdancing as a celebration after winning games, has an infectious love of the game and can motivate players . As head coach at Canterbury he also coached the under twentys to a World title . Give the guy a break, the game needs someone like him instead of those past poker faced ,laconic, flat liner, coaches with all the personality traits of a goldfish on valium. Personally I prefer the Vern Cotter profile. It's a winning mindset without all the fluff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 22 minutes ago, Hesi said: You're not referring to Fozzie by any chance when you talk about a goldfish on valium are you lol Very intuitive of you Hesi. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 hours ago, pete said: Personally I prefer the Vern Cotter profile. It's a winning mindset without all the fluff. I like what I see of Vern Cotter, totally different style to Scott Robertson. If Robertson falters and Cotter keeps up his stunning success and style of play with the Blues, then he becomes a serious contender 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPlodded Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 hours ago, ngakonui grass said: My interest in rugger wanes year on year so how they perform doesn't worry me as much as it once did in fact doesn't worry me at all. I am glad I am not the only one that thinks that. I switched off at half time on the Blues / Chiefs game before I fell asleep in the chair. Pick and go followed by yet another pick and go.. The game these days bares no resemblance to what I played. The players crawl through school in "rugby academies" these days, where as the Auckland teams of the 80s had lawyers, accountants and doctors etc. The coach these days has to run on at half time and point them in the other direction. I have as much in common with today's players as I do the Outer Mongolian under 15 soccer team. The Grant Fox, Terry Wright and Christian Cullens of the world would make no impact these days as there is now a forward (sometimes 2) stationed between each back in the defensive line and it is a case of who can bash their way through. All in the name of player safety... really ?? Scrums... there goes another 5 minutes before the ball even gets put in... under the #8s feet. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 hours ago, Hesi said: I like what I see of Vern Cotter, totally different style to Scott Robertson. If Robertson falters and Cotter keeps up his stunning success and style of play with the Blues, then he becomes a serious contender True, but what if Joe Schmidt does the unthinkable and makes Australia competitive again? You'd have to say he'd be next in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 hours ago, JustPlodded said: I am glad I am not the only one that thinks that. I switched off at half time on the Blues / Chiefs game before I fell asleep in the chair. Pick and go followed by yet another pick and go.. The game these days bares no resemblance to what I played. The players crawl through school in "rugby academies" these days, where as the Auckland teams of the 80s had lawyers, accountants and doctors etc. The coach these days has to run on at half time and point them in the other direction. I have as much in common with today's players as I do the Outer Mongolian under 15 soccer team. The Grant Fox, Terry Wright and Christian Cullens of the world would make no impact these days as there is now a forward (sometimes 2) stationed between each back in the defensive line and it is a case of who can bash their way through. All in the name of player safety... really ?? Scrums... there goes another 5 minutes before the ball even gets put in... under the #8s feet. You clearly were a big fan of Auckland rugby during their 80/90's reign. Joe Stanley, Bernie Mc Cahill etc etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Show Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Jeez Hesi, who doesn't love the rugby of the 80s and 90s? 🙂 I was living in Wellington then... staunch Hurricanes supporter (still am just quietly) and Alan Hewson was still playing cricket for Petone in their Senior men's team, Dave Rennie was playing for the Rugby Boy's side at Upper Hutt Cricket Club, we used to invade Athletic Park to watch Stu Wilson and Bernie Fraser churn up the side lines, Tana and Christian used to drop in uninvited on School Galas all over Wellington, it was a great time for sport back in those two decades, not as close and precious as it is now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Having been at Massey in Palmerston North in the mid 70's, Manawatu had a superb team during that time, and several players came from University A, like Doug Rollerson and Hugo Blair, as everyone mixed in the Fitz and Royal Tavern. Players like Kent Lambert, John Callesen, Mark Donaldson, Sam Strachan, Kevin Eveleigh, Ken Granger, Mark Shaw, Geoff Old, Gary Knight, they all played for Manawatu Even Christian Cullen started off at Manawatu, but that was a bit later in the 90's A few on here from Taranaki might remember Terry Sole who played University A and Manawatu, but more with a racing theme, Carey Hobbs, who got as far as University C, and then went on to run racing in Taranaki for a long while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryB Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 17 hours ago, ngakonui grass said: He wins the Worst haircut of the year and has done for many years. My interest in rugger wanes year on year so how they perform doesn't worry me as much as it once did in fact doesn't worry me at all. Me either, in fact I haven’t watched a game this yr & wont be. It’s time they were renamed NZ Pacifica as well, better reflects where they now are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryB Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 7 hours ago, Hesi said: Having been at Massey in Palmerston North in the mid 70's, Manawatu had a superb team during that time, and several players came from University A, like Doug Rollerson and Hugo Blair, as everyone mixed in the Fitz and Royal Tavern. Players like Kent Lambert, John Callesen, Mark Donaldson, Sam Strachan, Kevin Eveleigh, Ken Granger, Mark Shaw, Geoff Old, Gary Knight, they all played for Manawatu Even Christian Cullen started off at Manawatu, but that was a bit later in the 90's A few on here from Taranaki might remember Terry Sole who played University A and Manawatu, but more with a racing theme, Carey Hobbs, who got as far as University C, and then went on to run racing in Taranaki for a long while. It’s called evolution Hesi, professionalism has seen generations of Pacifica kids transition to Union instead of League, the names you mention above would all be playing soccer today or sitting at home with their phones & come from single parent families. No way would they at 7 be allowed to play Rugby in case they melt & have to tackle a giant sized Pacifica kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Like the tortoises lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 hours ago, BarryB said: Me either, in fact I haven’t watched a game this yr & wont be. It’s time they were renamed NZ Pacifica as well, better reflects where they now are. Waitangi Tribunal might have something to say about that, they are poking their nose in everywhere else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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