Sandpiper Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Hello cricket fans. What a great tournament this has been and the somewhat un-english pitches have really added to it. The toss being a big factor is hardly new and I'd take that variance over T20 roads for 100 overs any day. NZ - IND It's a curious thing about cricket how batters continually have to weigh up risk / reward on pain of not being able to contribute further. India seem to have an overabundance of caution when batting, quite the opposite to England and Australia. They play less % of attacking shots and attempt less 4s compared to 6s. NZ are somewhere in between. In the recent series here in NZ India's chases felt needlessly laboured as if they felt a cricket game should always go to the 46th+ over. Could they have gone harder safely or were they wise to stay in 4th gear? Thats the million dollar question in cricket. I thought they idled a little too long versus NZ this week and Dhonis personal batting style after NZ made headway gave them a little too much to do. You would think immortal Dhoni should be able to adjust (certainly from listening to some of the comms!) but he has actually been returning a negative value in runs for his team (in terms of game scenario) for a number of years now after being the opposite in his earlier career. ENG - AUS Virtually England's best ever start to a ODI, and Australia's worst. The link with the NZ IND game is a ket batters inability to change their personal batting style, in this case Maxi. He can't help himself just like Dhoni, at different ends of the spectrum, and the look on Smith's face after Maxwell threw his wicket away was priceless and cost Australia dozens of runs given the wickets/overs scenario. The new pitch held up better than most in the past 2 weeks making Englands chase like shooting fish after seeing off the new ball shine. A slaughter made possible by better use of the new ball and the cricketing gods smiling - remember the ENG AUS group game when half chance after half chance when the wrong way for England, quite the opposite last night. NZ - ENG No one wants to face Boult. And when Boult is there, no one wants to be forced to make hay off Henry and Ferguson. NZ have the problem though of trying to hide 20 overs of relative dross besides those 3. If the gods smile on NZ and England are 3 or 4 down by the time CdG and Neesham are bowling then we have a game, otherwise there likely isn't the peril around to get close to bowling England out and stop them getting at minimum a run a ball off the last 30 overs. In the other innings when NZ bat it is all about the openers. The stats say form is a mirage for batters: from match to match they make scores at random intervals and at almost any time after the first few deliveries of an innings they will continue to have an even chance of going on to score their average. Try telling that to anyone who just watched walking wickets Guptil and Nicholls though. NZ's strike rate lower down is poor compared to England. 3.8 is a big price on paper for sure but I think there is value in waiting to see if the NZ openers are waving it around trying to defend imaginary 6 foot by 4 wickets first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sandpiper said: Hello cricket fans. What a great tournament this has been and the somewhat un-english pitches have really added to it. The toss being a big factor is hardly new and I'd take that variance over T20 roads for 100 overs any day. NZ - IND It's a curious thing about cricket how batters continually have to weigh up risk / reward on pain of not being able to contribute further. India seem to have an overabundance of caution when batting, quite the opposite to England and Australia. They play less % of attacking shots and attempt less 4s compared to 6s. NZ are somewhere in between. In the recent series here in NZ India's chases felt needlessly laboured as if they felt a cricket game should always go to the 46th+ over. Could they have gone harder safely or were they wise to stay in 4th gear? Thats the million dollar question in cricket. I thought they idled a little too long versus NZ this week and Dhonis personal batting style after NZ made headway gave them a little too much to do. You would think immortal Dhoni should be able to adjust (certainly from listening to some of the comms!) but he has actually been returning a negative value in runs for his team (in terms of game scenario) for a number of years now after being the opposite in his earlier career. ENG - AUS Virtually England's best ever start to a ODI, and Australia's worst. The link with the NZ IND game is a ket batters inability to change their personal batting style, in this case Maxi. He can't help himself just like Dhoni, at different ends of the spectrum, and the look on Smith's face after Maxwell threw his wicket away was priceless and cost Australia dozens of runs given the wickets/overs scenario. The new pitch held up better than most in the past 2 weeks making Englands chase like shooting fish after seeing off the new ball shine. A slaughter made possible by better use of the new ball and the cricketing gods smiling - remember the ENG AUS group game when half chance after half chance when the wrong way for England, quite the opposite last night. NZ - ENG No one wants to face Boult. And when Boult is there, no one wants to be forced to make hay off Henry and Ferguson. NZ have the problem though of trying to hide 20 overs of relative dross besides those 3. If the gods smile on NZ and England are 3 or 4 down by the time CdG and Neesham are bowling then we have a game, otherwise there likely isn't the peril around to get close to bowling England out and stop them getting at minimum a run a ball off the last 30 overs. In the other innings when NZ bat it is all about the openers. The stats say form is a mirage for batters: from match to match they make scores at random intervals and at almost any time after the first few deliveries of an innings they will continue to have an even chance of going on to score their average. Try telling that to anyone who just watched walking wickets Guptil and Nicholls though. NZ's strike rate lower down is poor compared to England. 3.8 is a big price on paper for sure but I think there is value in waiting to see if the NZ openers are waving it around trying to defend imaginary 6 foot by 4 wickets first. Like the summary Sandpiper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1 hour ago, VC! said: One thing is certain should England lose the tabloids will cut them to shreds, they’ll want blood Lets do this!!! lets make it a Sunday Bloody Sunday All this stuff about the semi final curse and first major world cup final since 66 is such nonsense isn't it, theres only about 6 decent teams in word cricket!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Say No More said: Slightly harsh on Mitchell Santner!? He was outstanding against India and did i hear somewhere that he has one of the best economy rates in the whole tournament in those middle overs. Perhaps. Against India he came in at 70-4 after 20, massive pressure on them created by the strike bowlers and not helped at all by Dhoni (who faced 40% of Santners balls). He only bowled 3 overs against Aus. Against England he went for 65 and took 1 wicket. India was rained off. He's 36th in the ICC rankings, Rashid is 29th and that's about right for me. Is Santner good enough to get out batters trying to smack him around too much? Certainly. Flattered recently? Yes also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Sandpiper said: All this stuff about the semi final curse and first major world cup final since 66 is such nonsense isn't it, theres only about 6 decent teams in word cricket!! Agree 100% and like Netball and Rugby,it is virtually played by Commonwealth Countries. Edited July 12, 2019 by ngakonui grass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 12, 2019 Author Share Posted July 12, 2019 So with all this superb analysis, anyone got any value bets. I note the TAB offering a top run scorer double Roy/Williamson of $10, but if you multi up their individual prices you are better off at $10.50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Ferguson to take another first over wicket at 8.00 is ok. His strike rate is one every 30 balls. Top 20 all-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 Does this make sense? Losing to England in the group stages puts the Black Caps at an advantage in tomorrow's Cricket World Cup final, All Blacks coach Steve Hansen says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Yeah its not so much a team game Steve, stick to rugby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 Anyhoo Good luck to the Black Caps tonight, not going to be a walk in the park, but cricket is a game of very fine margins, an inch the difference between a glorious cover drive and a thick outside edge to gully, make that point Was going to add a bit of interest, and have a comp whereby you had $10 to spend, any option on offer by the TAB, highest collect wins, mine would have been the double, highest bat Williamson/Roy @ $10 for a $100 collect. BUT, the power has been out all day, just on 10 min ago, bastards at Vector, too much profit, not enough maintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 7:12 AM, mardigras said: You can get 3.8 on NZ which I think is high for a two team outcome (not including the likes of Afghanistan). Longer odds than yesterday after qualifying and I expect odds to decrease during game, if not before. Pretty easy profit with NZ at under 1.70s. Or stick it out and see what happens as a true NZ supporter (well at least some of it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 56 minutes ago, mardigras said: Pretty easy profit with NZ at under 1.70s. Or stick it out and see what happens as a true NZ supporter (well at least some of it). Was tempted to cash out at 1.50 but riding it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Amazing game. NZ played well in the field. I would say they deserved to win but fell short. The 4 overthrows from Stokes bat a telling tale. Well done England on their first World Cup cricket win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, curious said: Was tempted to cash out at 1.50 but riding it out. Went down to 1.14. Might have been worth it at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 How can you fit so much drama into one match, as they say cricket was the winner, but it wasn't really, with the result determined by a countback on boundaries. Dems the rules, but need something better, something more consistent with the other rules of cricket. The much maligned Duckworth Lewis system focuses on wickets lost, as does the old WC rule, which would have seen the Cup go to NZ. Well done to England, but that must be hard to swallow for the Black Caps. I thought 240 was nowhere near enough, so what do I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, mardigras said: Went down to 1.14. Might have been worth it at that point. I part covered at 1.18 so ended up a little ahead. That freaky throw that hit the bat screwed me when I thought I was home for all money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngakonui grass Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 What a great time to be in England. Ascot Wimbleton Cricket Netball and the British Grand Prix. EPL just aroung the corner. Great Days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Dobby is so so sorry Master VC! I’ve even added an extra exclamation mark Dobby was there as instructed Master to make sure the Black Caps won the cricket World Cup But Dobby is a Stranger Thing from the upside down world and and there was a force greater than Dobby’s at the ground Master Dobby could feel it As instructed Dobby used his magic Master VC!! It’s time Master Stokes was caught on the boundary by Master Boult But But Dobby could feel it as soon as Dobby cast the spell for Master Stokes to be caught a greater force cast there spell and Master Boult was made stand on the rope Dobby wanted to run and hide Master VC!! This time Dobby like instructed in the last game was going to run Master Stokes out by Master Guptill But Dobby could feel it Sir the last time Dobby had a feeling like this was at the England Argentina World Cup and that day it was the hand of god and today it was the Bat of God after all Master VC!! We were at Lords Dobby is so sorry he has failed his Master look on the bright side Master NZ are Gupted but at least England are Stoked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 what a ridiculous match! Archer in the super over was a fun call, he was totally bricking it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 15, 2019 Author Share Posted July 15, 2019 They need to get the review system sorted, the technology is accurate enough to determine whether a batsman is out or not. At the moment it is limited as to whether a side still has a review(Ross Taylor's lbw), or whether the on field umpire gives a lbw out or not. Out and reviewed, it only has to clip the stumps, not out and reviewed, it has to be more than 50% hitting the stumps?? They seem to have got themselves into a bit of a pickle, trying to use the technology to get the right decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 To be honest, there should never have been a super over for each to determine a winner. Tied on 241 each, we should have won the match ,awarded the win by two wickets. We bowled them out FFS. Archaic outdated rules indicative of Cricket as a whole, and throw in the Duckworth Lewis system and it gets even more ridiculous. Give me a Penalty shootout anyday. Football is lost on the insufferable you know who, eh Pete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Can you pick what this horse's name is Rees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globederby19 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Hesi said: Can you pick what this horse's name is Rees Not without a sulky behind , but I will have a guess. Richard Cranium ??. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Bit Lippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesi Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 I note that Ben Stokes went to the umpire and said he wanted the 4 runs from the boundary taken off, but the umpire said he could not as it was the rules. Normal cricket 'etiquette', is that a ball being accidentally deflected into the field, the batsmen doesn't run, but if it deflects to the boundary the ump must score it as 4. A fascinating situation....only if you are a Pom. Imagine the uproar within England had the umpire acceded to Stokes request Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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